why is one acceptable and one isn’t?

why is one acceptable and one isn't?

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9 comments

  1. journeymanskeptic · October 21, 2013

    Because men and women are different. They should be treated equally before the law, and I think that men and women are equal, but equal does not mean identical.

    • cakeleevannila · October 21, 2013

      in the meme the man’s breast are identical to the woman’s….
      i don’t believe separate but equal has historically ever worked out in favor of those who were not already holding power.
      of course men bodies and women bodies are different. i was able to grow 3 human beings in my body, i was able to feed and nourish those human beings after they were extracted violently from my body. i have a lower testosterone count than a male bodied person, and more estrogen than a male bodied person and i manufacturer progesterone. my body bleeds without injury to clean itself.
      i personal am limited to the amount of physical activities my body can do, but that has nothing to do with the absence of a y chromosome.

      • journeymanskeptic · October 22, 2013

        >in the meme the man’s breast are identical to the woman’s
        Female breasts serve a very different biological purpose, and are very different biologically, than male “breasts”. They may “look” the same sometimes, but they aren’t the same, period.

        >i personal am limited to the amount of physical activities my body can do, but that has nothing to do with the absence of a y chromosome.
        Yes it does? All of those things you listed (growing human beings, feeding human beings with your breasts, lower testosterone, more estrogen, etc) are directly linked to the fact that you are biologically a female(XX) rather than biological a male (XY).

        >i don’t believe separate but equal has historically ever worked out in favor of those who were not already holding power.
        Maybe, overall, depending on how you judge it. I would agree with you largely, but there are specific counterexamples. Men may have been historically “in power” but that didn’t stop the vast majority of combat deaths from being male. Does that really matter though when it comes to making this decision? Shouldn’t we make the most logical decision, regardless of what general (often misleading) conclusions might be drawn?

      • cakeleevannila · October 22, 2013

        there are men who can produce milk. it’s extremely rare but it does happen. now, as far as the picture in the posts goes, it is about the appearance and it being perfectly acceptable and in some areas expected for men to walk around without a shirt on, regardless of body type. but in most places when a woman walks out in public without a shirt she is being indecent-although when i lived in maine there were no laws preventing women from walking around topless. i was asked to leave a restaurant when breastfeeding my son even though my breast and my son’s head was covered with a blanket. i know many many women this has happened to. it is not unusual. also, even wearing a bathing suit for many women opens the door to ridicule and mockery. if a woman is too big or has stretch marks or is flabby or whatever-she is condemned for going out in such a state. that is real. that is what happens. we are shamed for our bodies.
        yes, my body and a male body are different. the amount of chemicals and neurotransmitters are different in the average male and average female. when i wrote that i was thinking specifically of when women are told they can’t perform certain tasks that rely mostly on upper body strength. i should have been more specific.
        i have not seen many cases, none off the top of my head, when the person who was given special privilege did not end up on the losing end of equal but separate. for women, for ppl of color, for ppl with different abilities…every time ppl have said “separate but equal” there is nothing equal about it. i am not really sure where you are going with the combat thing, please explain it to me (sometimes i have a hard time understanding things) bc i am not really sure where you are going with that.
        the reason i posted the picture is to draw attention to the fact that it is a real issue. it is an issue bc the woman can be sited and charged with a sexual crime while standing next to a man who is doing the same thing with the same body style and he will have nothing said to him. it is also an issue bc women w certain body types would not even think of doing that. most women would not feel comfortable walking around shirtless, even if it was legal to do so. we are subjected to a large amount of shame based on our appearance. i went to see my gi dr and his wife shares an office with him. she is an obgyn. there were posters all over the office marketed to new mothers to fix the things that having a baby did to their bodies, even their vaginas can be reconstructed to make them more beautiful since they get the hell beat out of them pushing a human out. they can have skin removed, stretchmarks vanquished, have any sign of pregnancy removed bc it is not attractive to the common person. women should fight age at every turn-color your hair, wash away the gray, apply large amounts of moisturizer then tons of makeup, don’t squint in the sun, put hemorrhoid cream on the bags under your eyes, etc… that is a sign of social stigma and sickness.

      • journeymanskeptic · October 22, 2013

        >there are men who can produce milk. it’s extremely rare but it does happen.
        Well sure, but when it comes to laws I think it makes sense to address the vast majority of people.

        > it being perfectly acceptable and in some areas expected for men to walk around without a shirt on, regardless of body type. but in most places when a woman walks out in public without a shirt she is being indecent
        I would argue that that is because, generally, men’s “breasts” and women’s “breasts” are biologically different. You can argue that it “shouldn’t” be socially unacceptable for a woman to bear her breasts in public. Honestly, I probably agree with that, I’m just trying to point out that it’s not really a double standard. We should treat them as two different issues, because they are two kinds of “breasts.”

        >even wearing a bathing suit for many women opens the door to ridicule and mockery.
        I’m not sure how that is tied to the discussion at all. I’m not going to defend someone who mocks a woman for any reason.

        >we are shamed for our bodies.
        Yea, again. I don’t disagree that some women are shamed for their bodies, and I’m not going to argue that that is acceptable. I don’t think that it is illegal for women to bear their breasts because people think they are “shameful” I think it’s because most people consider female breasts to be a private thing, most people consider female breasts to be (relatively) sexual organs, and so should be covered up.

      • journeymanskeptic · October 22, 2013

        >i am not really sure where you are going with the combat thing
        It doesn’t really matter for this discussion. I have a bad habit of mentioning things that don’t really matter :p

      • cakeleevannila · October 22, 2013

        the original post has very little to do w the legality of whether or not a woman can walk around topless, it’s more of the social stigma associated with it. i can tell you that every single woman i know, everyone of them, has struggled with body image issues. even women who look like a barbie doll with 36-24-36 measurements struggles with their body. it is ingrained in us from birth, on the media, in commercials, in the way clothes are made, everywhere all the time. many of the forms of mockery are subtle, and most ppl fall into the trap of easily taking a woman who is more curvy and making her the punchline of a joke. if you have ever heard, said or laughed at a “your momma is so fat………..” you have done that. you can’t stop that by simply telling ppl it is unacceptable; it is subversive and in all corners of western culture.
        i feel that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing which is fun for a bit, but it is becoming apparent that neither of us is going to back down from our vantage points. i do not feel as though you are taking anything i say as a legitimate idea, and you seem to be mocking me. so i am no longer going to argue with you. i will let the women in your life confront you on where you are being sexist even if it is unintentional. i do appreciate the comments i just no longer feel that we are accomplishing anything and arguing for argument’s sake is tiresome and i don’t feel well enough to keep it up.

      • journeymanskeptic · October 23, 2013

        >i feel that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing
        I’m not.

        >you seem to be mocking me.
        I’m definitely not. Sorry if it came off that way 😦

        > i don’t feel well enough to keep it up.
        Okay, have a good day!

  2. Anonymous · October 22, 2013

    Some people consider men’s nipples a sexual thing, but men sure don’t have to keep them covered! Sexuality is fluid. What is sexual to one person can be completely different to the next. The main point of this picture is to stress the social constraints placed on women, but not on men in the exact same situation.

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